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Discussions de l'annada 2014.

Totas las discussions de 2013 son desenant archivadas. --— Joan Francés B. ^{(me´n parlar)} 3 genièr de 2014 a 07.32 (UTC)

Bona Annada!

Adieu a totes, espèri qu'avètz agut de fèstas de las bonas. Vos desiri una Bona Annada plan granada e acompanhada que siá plan melhora que las precedentas per vosautres e vòstras familhas e l'occitan! Amistats, a lèu, Claudi/Capsot (d) 1 genièr de 2014 a 12.19 (UTC)

Bona annada e VisualEditor arriba

Bona annada a totes, mercé a Claudi e als autres que fan avançar la wikipèdia occitana.

Avètz legir en decembre un messatge en anglés sus l'arribada de l'editor de paginas "visual" (sens afichatge de las marcas de compaginacion). Ne faguèri ièr la traduccion en occitan sus TranslateWiki. Deu arribar sus la wp occitana de cap al 12 de genièr. Vòstras remarcas son plan vengudas. --— Joan Francés B. ^{(me´n parlar)} 3 genièr de 2014 a 07.35 (UTC)

Adieu, per çò qu'ai vist endacòm mai, ai de mal a veire son utilitat. Personalament me geina mai que m'ajuda, que m'engani sovent d'endrech quand vòli copiar quicòm per exemple... mas bon veirem... Senon, voliái dire que tu e totes los autres avètz fach e fasètz un brave trabalh de tria. A lèu, amistats, Claudi/Capsot (d) 3 genièr de 2014 a 21.19 (UTC)

Bona Annada 2014 !

Vos desiri una excellenta annada a totes ǃ --Cedric31 (d) 3 genièr de 2014 a 17.38 (UTC)

De novèlas de la « corsa de chivaus »

Per començar una excellenta annada, lo lindau dei 25 pts es agantat dins lo classament de la tièra de Wikipèdias per un escapolon d'articles.--Nicolas Eynaud (d) 7 genièr de 2014 a 08.57 (UTC)

Adieu, una autra bona nòva, sèm montats un pel mai! Bon vèspre, a lèu, Claudi/Capsot (d) 6 febrièr de 2014 a 21.10 (UTC)

Wikidatar o wikidatar pas, aquí la question???

Adieu a totes, Fa ja un momenton qu'aviam parlat de l'afar de Wikidata e que lo daquòs es estat botat en "velha"... Pensi que se fasèm pas res contunharà aital que Boulaur sembla d'aver abandonat, mai o mens, definitivament la Wikipèdia. En consequéncia actualament los articles semblan nuses... La question doncas es Wikidata o infobóstias tradicionalas? A mai i aja de causas que m'agradan pas Wikidata pòt èsser quicòm de plan util e la solucion d'un futur mai o mens pròches. Pasmens n'ai pas pro d'informacions per ara e son emplec es, a mon vejaire, marginal dins las Wikipèdias... e ai l'impression que capita pas de passar de l'estadi experimental. Pensi que vist que lo daquòs es començat seriá benlèu bon de lo reactivar e d'apondre la categoria qu'empacha lo disfoncionament tre que vesèm que i a un problèma. N'ai fach ja qualques centenats e pensi que dapasset i arribarem, almens o espèri... A lèu, espèri de poder legir vòstres vejaires lèu. Amistats, Claudi/Capsot (d) 20 genièr de 2014 a 20.52 (UTC)

Adieu Capsot. Completament d'accòrd, seriá damatge de pas aprofièchar del trabalh ja complit per Bonlaur. Lo problèma es que mancam de qualqu'un que sàpia resòlvre las dificultats tecnicas de Wikidata, e n'i a un fum. Per exemple dins aquelas infobóstias i pas sonque lo problèma de la categoria a apondre, aquò rai, mas i tanben aqueles messatges roges "SCRIPT ERROR" qu'ai ensajat de far desapareisser mai d'un còp, sempre sens capitar. Tanben aquela rubrica "FISICA" totjorn presenta dins l'infobóstia: de que vòl dire? sens parlar de la rubrica "homo sapiens" per totes las personas, me sembla un pauquet estranha, non?

Ai vist tanben de còps que i a, que los còdes Wikidata Q seguit de chifras , desapareisson pas e mai quora la categoria en question es estada creada a Wikidata. Bon arresti aquí que vòli pas descoratjar lo monde...Jiròni (d) 22 genièr de 2014 a 11.51 (UTC)

Adieussiatz. Soi pas tant segur que i aja de dificultats tecnicas. La planeta Wiki* es comola de mond lèstes a ajudar... Mas fa de meses que Boulaur respond pas mos messatges. Lo problèma "script error" es degut a una tròp gròssa complexitat dels escripts utilizats, escrichs o adaptats per Boulaur. Es coma las paginas sus las comunas, que nos avian valgudas una menaça de blocatge: d'escripts o de modèls tròp complicats an un impacte fòrt sus l'anar dels sistèmas qu'albergan Wikipèdia, e los informaticians dins aquel cas prenon de decisions mai trencadas. Per las dintradas en "q" de Wikidata que demòran, es que la mesa a jorn es pas immediata (i a un sistèma d'amagatal) - cal esperar un pauc. Ai de contactes que podriai activar se Boulaur es disponible. --— Joan Francés B. ^{(me´n parlar)} 7 febrièr de 2014 a 04.45 (UTC)

Mèfi a la tendéncia "localista"...!

Adieu a totes, Sabi que i a una tendéncia actualament a reivindicar d'emplecs mai locals subretot dins l'airal de Tolosa, tendéncia que venguèt clarament vesedoira a partir dels darrièrs escriches d'Eric Fraj. Sens voler dintrar dins la polemica, nos cal veire mai que mai la practicitat de l'aisina. Personalament pensi qu'es ja pro complicat aital amb las grandas varietats qu'èran emplegadas per ara per anar cercar mai de problèmas amb de solucions mai localas, mens normativas se preferissètz qu'a mon vejaire geinan mai encara, en demandar als tres o quatre qu'escrivon de dominar una multiplicitat tròp importanta de varietat/variacion. Concretament soi plan embestiat quand vesi un article sus Gaudí per exemple qu'ai enveja de melhorar mas qu'es escrich dins un gascon que domini pas pro o pas gaire. Va plan d'apondre una o doas frasas e mai s'i pèrdes mai de temps que dins ta varietat abituala mas... Puèi, la solucion aisida seriá de passar tot aquò en lengadocian mas me geina... 1) pel respècte de la persona que comencèt l'article e 2) per la paur de poder semblar lengadocianocentric... Vos o disi es ja pro complicat aital, evitem de nos copar encara mai lo cap, personalament vau pas cambiar lo a le dins los articles del país tolosan o a el s'escrivi dins l'airal donesanés; es tròp complicat e fals, qu'en realitat (malgrat ma coneissença de la dialectologia occitana) podèm pas dominar totas las subtilitats del(s) parlar(s) local(s) e caldriá doncas servar, a mon vejaire, las solucions de compromés mai abitualas fins ara (NB: en lengadocian litoral s'emplega pas foguèt mas de formas siaguèt o seguèt e a l'oral vos disi pas... Mercés, a lèu, amistats, Claudi/Capsot (d) 15 març de 2014 a 22.22 (UTC)

Adieu, Soi ieu qu'ai adaptat los articles sus Tolosa, Le Miralh e Godolin. Me sembla coerent amb la charta lingüistica de nòstra Wikipèdia que preconiza que los articles sián escriches dins lo parlar del tèma concernit. Me coneissètz, soi lo Widipedian occitan lo pus ancian e soi pas particularament localista ; soi ieu que tradusissi l'interfàcia, per exemple, e fau atencion d'utilizar una lenga englobanta amb los mots los mai "comuns" possible.
Lo parlar mondin es en perilh ; demòri a Tolosa, e aquí, los corses dins las escòlas, las placas de las carrièras son en albijòroergat, es pas dramatic, mas es simptomatic de la situacion ; qualques motets cambiats, que remeton pas en compte las redireccions o los ligam entre los articles deurián pas geinar. Pasmens, s'aquò vos tracassa, mas modificacions pòdon èsser anulladas, mon intencion èra pas de reobrir una discussion sus tot aquò.
Coralament --Cedric31 (d) 16 març de 2014 a 06.58 (UTC)

Per l'article sus Gaudi, i a mantuna solucion. Pòdes demandar a la persona que creèt l'article s'aquò la derenga pas que lo passes en lengadocian (coma faguères), o alara lo pòdes completar dins ton parlar e demandar a qualqu'un que parle naut biarnés de lo t'adaptar.

Adieu, l'exemple èra marrit, èra pas Gaudí e pòdi pas remembrar ara qual èra... qualqu'un d'important pr'aquò (benlèu Pau Casals...)... Per çò qu'es de la carta, sabi pas exactament çò que s'i ditz, pasmens pensi pas que siá talament "ponchuda", val a dire qu'a mon vejaire, es puslèu lo dialècte e pas lo parlar (çò qu'es fòrça mai complicat de gerir...) que deu èsser pres en compte... Mai enlà de la forma de l'article "lo/le/so/el/eth"..., es la variacion morfologica que risca de venir problematica (es mens problematic tanben se s'agís d'una creacion d'article (podèm pas censurar la lenga de qualqu'un que crèa e mai se podèm corregir çò qu'i es fals/incorrècte) que d'una modificacion, sovent limitada a una "correccion"/passatge al local...), qu'en far local dobrisses la pòrta a de causas coma "aveire, agueire, avudre, agudre, avedre, aguedre, aguer", "vodre, vorre" etc... caracteristicas dels parlars litorals qu'an pas tròp sa plaça e que pòrtan pas res... Començar amb de "fosquèc", "fasquèc" (que son pas mai emplegats a Tolosa dempuèi la fin del sègle XIX a mai) e mai portarà pas res, manca mai de confusion. Ensagem, se podèm, de descomplicar l'afar e d'evitar los problèmas de lenga que crèan sonque de polemicas e fan pas avançar la causa. A lèu, amistats, Claudi/Capsot (d) 16 març de 2014 a 12.16 (UTC)

Aquí la carta e aquí los vòtes amb en pagina estacada las longas discussions que se faguèron a l'epòca. Aquò reglèt pas tot, mas permetiguèt lo debat. Coma te disiái, mas modificacions pòdon èsser anulladas, parli pas tolosenc, lo preni pas personalament, me semblava logic d'adaptar aqueles tèxtes e d'alhurs m'aprestavi a o far per Lagarda, Fraj o qualques unes mai. Avèm reüssit, dempuèi 2006, a bastir un projècte per una lenga unica en ne fasent veire la pluralitat, atal contunharem. Es sonque una question de dòsi, probable qu'aicí i a una pichona diferéncia d'apreciacion entre nautres, mas rai. Amistats --Cedric31 (d) 16 març de 2014 a 13.43 (UTC)

Adieu, mercés per las entresenhas. Ai vist que precisament aviái votat contra per la paur de veire "corregits" d'articles dins una varietat que correspond pas tròp a la varietat de referéncia o puslèu a una vision de çò qu'es admissible o pas (concretament en aquel temps m'aviá exasperat e mai conflat de veire que mos "mai" èran corregits en "pus"... entre d'autras causas). Coma t'o disiái, lo problèma es pas la redaccion iniciala fin finala, mas puslèu lo fach de passar aprèp, "corregir" dins un cèrt biais, sens apondre pas gaire o res de quantitativament o qualitativament concret dins l'article, mas simplament voler far "color locala"... Me passèt aquò per d'articles del país de Nimes, qu'aviái redigit en lengadocian e que me foguèron passats en provençal, e mai se lo parlar de Nimes respond pas a debon a totas las caracteristicas del provençal, e que tornèri modificar en foncion de çò del país (aqueu > aquel per exemple)... es pesuc, es contraproductiu e pòt menar sonque a de guerrilhas de qual ne sap mai en lenga o en dialectologia... Doncas cresi que deuriam establir coma "règla" o "nòrma" implicita (pas besonh de ne far una règla/lei) que se l'article es pas modificat substancialament (almens doas o tres linhas) se deuriá pas tocar çò qu'es estat escrich, manca corregir las fautas possiblas que s'i passejan. Mercés tornarmai, bon coratge per tot e bona fin de dimenjada, a lèu! Claudi/16 març de 2014 a 16.40 (UTC)

Recòrd batut

Lo nombre recòrd de vizualizacions mensualas d'òctòbre de 2013 (3,6 milions) es batut per abriu de 2014 ([1]). Eriam ja a 3,8 milions lo 27 e lo nombre finau pòu belèu passar lei 4 milions per lo premier còp de l'istòria de la wikipèdia nòstra.--NE (d) 28 abril de 2014 a 18.54 (UTC)
ːːÒsca ǃǃǃ --Cedric31 (d) 6 mai de 2014 a 13.34 (UTC)

Una associacion per la Wikipèdia occitana

Adissiatz monde de la Wikipèdia,
Dempuèi d'annadas s'evòca l'oportunitat e l'interès de crear una associacion Wikimèdia per l'occitan.
Aquí d'unas discussions ancianas a prepaus d'aquel subjècte ː Wikipèdia:Proposicion de creacion d'ua associacion
A qualques (paucs) fondators de la Wikipèdia occitana, amb aquela idèa, bastiguèrem, fa qualques annadas, l'associacion "Tot en òc", qu'amb son site internet www.totenoc.org nos permet de publicar los projèctes e traduccions de logicials que realizam.
Al moment que de mai en mai d'estructuras e de monde an besonh d'aisinas informaticas e que de proposicions de collaboracion ambiciosas nos son fachas (ne vos parlarai mai en detalh), solliciti vòstra implicacion dins aquela associacion. Nos cal retocar los estatuts (per mai d'independéncia e de neutralitat) e nos melhor estructurar. L'estructura existís e pòt ja se prevaler de realizacions concretas e d'un istoric ; sufiriá de la far evoluar dins lo sens que volèm.
Qué ne pensatz ? Se vos va, prepausarai una "presa de decision" per ne parlar. --Cedric31 (d) 22 mai de 2014 a 20.25 (UTC)

Adissiatz,
Vos prepausi de reactivar la discussion sus l'oportunitat de crear una associacion, per portar e difusar los projèctes de Wikimèdia en lenga occitana.
La discussion se fa aicí ː Wikipèdia:Presa de decision/Associacion, es dobèrta per un mes complet.
Quand de proposicion seràn fachas, votarem per nos posicionar sus aquel subjècte.
Plan coralament. --Cedric31 (d) 25 mai de 2014 a 11.11 (UTC)

Wikimédia France serait heureuse de pouvoir aider à la création/participation d'une « associacion Wikimèdia per l'occitan ». Il faudrait aussi tenir au courant la Wikimedia Foundation (qui possède la marque « Wikimédia », voir la page m:Affiliations Committee/fr). Cdlt, VIGNERON (d) 16 de junh de de 2014 a 15.16 (UTC)

Media Viewer

Greetings, my apologies for writing in English.

I wanted to let you know that Media Viewer will be released to this wiki in the coming weeks. Media Viewer allows readers of Wikimedia projects to have an enhanced view of files without having to visit the file page, but with more detail than a thumbnail. You can try Media Viewer out now by turning it on in your Beta Features. If you do not enjoy Media Viewer or if it interferes with your work after it is turned on you will be able to disable Media Viewer as well in your preferences. I invite you to share what you think about Media Viewer and how it can be made better in the future.

Thank you for your time. - Keegan (WMF) 23 mai de 2014 a 21.29 (UTC)

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The 20-20 Vision of Wales Challenge

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We have listed 20 ESSENTIAL articles which we believe would complement and enhance the Occitan Wikipedia. Please join us by creating or expanding articles on Welsh places, people and some of the things which make our hearts beat. Wales, like yourself, is a small nation, but we both have a large heart!

It would be lovely to have you on board. :-)

Diolch yn fawr - many thanks! We look forward to seeing you! Llywelyn2000 (d) 24 mai de 2014 a 11.11 (UTC)

Media Viewer is now live on this wiki

Media Viewer lets you see images in larger size

Greetings— and sorry for writing in English, please translate if it will help your community,

The Wikimedia Foundation's Multimedia team is happy to announce that Media Viewer was just released on this site today.

Media Viewer displays images in larger size when you click on their thumbnails, to provide a better viewing experience. Users can now view images faster and more clearly, without having to jump to separate pages — and its user interface is more intuitive, offering easy access to full-resolution images and information, with links to the file repository for editing. The tool has been tested extensively across all Wikimedia wikis over the past six months as a Beta Feature and has been released to the largest Wikipedias, all language Wikisources, and the English Wikivoyage already.

If you do not like this feature, you can easily turn it off by clicking on "Disable Media Viewer" at the bottom of the screen, pulling up the information panel (or in your your preferences) whether you have an account or not. Learn more in this Media Viewer Help page.

Please let us know if you have any questions or comments about Media Viewer. You are invited to share your feedback in this discussion on MediaWiki.org in any language, to help improve this feature. You are also welcome to take this quick survey in English, en français, o español.

We hope you enjoy Media Viewer. Many thanks to all the community members who helped make it possible. - Fabrice Florin (WMF) (talk) 19 de junh de de 2014 a 21.54 (UTC)

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IMPORTANT : Examèn de l'activitat administrator

Bonjorn. Una novèla decision a prepaus del levament dels "dreches avançats" (administrator, burocrata, etc.) es estada adoptada recentament per un consensus general de la comunautat (vòstra comunautat a recebut un messatge a prepaus d'aquela discussion). En seguida d'aquela decision, los stewards examinan actualament l'activitat administrator dels pichons wikis. Per autant que sapiam, vòstre wiki a pas cap de procedura precisa per levar los "dreches avançats" als comptes inactius. Aquò significa que los stewards se'n van ocupar, segon las novèlas proceduras d'examèn d'activitat administrator.

Avèm establit que los utilizaires seguents reünisson los critèris d'inactivitat (pas de contribucion ni de connexion dempuèi mai de 2 ans) :

1. Midom (administrator) ;
2. ScArf (administrator) ;

Aqueles utilizaires recebràn lèu un avís que lor demanda de dobrir una discussion publica se vòlon conservar tot o partida de lors dreches. En l'abséncia de responsa, lors dreches avançats lor seràn levats pels stewards.

Pasmens, se vòstra comunautat vòl establir son pròpri processus d'examèn de l'activitat qu'anullat e remplaça los critèris retenguts mai globalament, se vòstra comunautat vòl prene una decision diferenta a prepaus dels detenidors de dreches que demòran inactius o se vòstra comunautat a ja pres una decision qu'auriam pas presa en compte, dins aqueste cas precisatz-lo se vos plai als stewards sus Meta-Wiki per tal que metam pas en plaça cap d'examèn dels estatuts dels utilizaires sus vòstre wiki. Mercé, Rschen7754 25 de junh de de 2014 a 01.33 (UTC)

Important : Besonh d'ajuda per l'administracion de la wikipèdia occitana

Adieussiatz,

Un utilizaire de Wikimedia nos informa que va levar de dreches d'administracion a Gòranò (qu'es pas dins la lista dels administrators actius) e a Cedric31 (que per ieu es actiu, e mai s'es plan mens qu'abans). Li ai mandat un corrièr mas fau aicí rampèl que nos caldriá benlèu 1 o 2 administrators de mai. Aquò me donariá tanben l'escasença de pausar ma candidatura coma burocrata.

Los ròtles? L'administrator administra pas... a un ròtle un pauc de velhaire: pòt suprimir d'articles se la supression es demandada e justificada (e li cal aver lo temps...) Pòt blocar d'adreças IP que fan al piratatge. E es gaireben tot. Mas sèm gaire nombroses ara (4:Cedric31, Lembeye, Mertyl e ieu) e ne caldriá 2 o 3 de mai per dire de n'aver un per jorn de la setmana (o pas). Lo burocrata a un drech de mai, autrejar l'estatut d'administrator a un utilizaire, e aquò deu passar per una consultacion de la comunautat.

• Per ne saber mai sus lo ròtle d'administrator
• Per ne saber mai sus lo ròtle de burocrata e véser las candidaturas
• Per pausar la candidatura a l'estatut d'administrator

Pausi ma candidatura a l'estatut de burocrata. Per votar, es aval.

Coralament,

--— Joan Francés B. ^{(me´n parlar)} 29 julhet de 2014 a 05.17 (UTC)

Adieu, veni tot bèl just de votar. Fa un brieu que me disia'i que justament caldria' una regeneracion de l'estructura. Prepausi tanben, s'o accèptan, d'aver Jiròni (pensavi que o èra ja) e Nicolas coma administradors. Mercés! A lèu, bon estiu, Claudi/Capsot (d) 29 julhet de 2014 a 09.56 (UTC)

Toponimia bretona

Adieu ! Tòrne de per aicí e vau far mon chiant ! Tròbe qu'es lo bazar per çò daus toponims bretons. Un cp avem lo nom en breton, un còp lo nom en francés, emb o sens redirreccion. Las preconizacions dau CLO disen que, quand òm coneis lo nom autoctòn d'un luòc, iò fau utilizar. E per çò de Bretanha, avem lo KerOfis que balha lo nom oficiau e normalizat en breton de luòcs bretons e autres. Me sembla que, mai que mai per la zòna bretonanta, deuriam botar en prumier lo nom breton oficiau. Per çò dau demai de Bretanha, per la Leira Atlantica e mai un bocin de Vendea (la marcha de Bretanha), sabe pas. E de tot biais avem pas de nom en galò que sián fiables. De que ne'n pensatz ? Pasha (d) 31 julhet de 2014 a 10.43 (UTC)

Adieussiatz.

A io me sembla clar. Per la part parlabreton de Bretanha, cal metre lo nom en breton e crear 'na redireccion dempuei lo nom francés manca se i a un nom occitan atestat. Per la part parlagallo, cal metre lo nom francés oficial. Coralament, --— Joan Francés B. ^{(me´n parlar)} 31 julhet de 2014 a 11.46 (UTC)

En visant mielhs ai vud que lo trabalh es estat fach per Boulaur n'i a dos ans de quò per Leir Atlantic mai Ille et Villaine (qu'a son nom en francés pusleu qu'en occitan mas bon ...) e Finistèrra. Mas pas per lo Morbihan e las Costas d'Armor. Enfin qu'es pas chabat. Adonc, me vese pas desfar queu trabalh. Mas lo chabarai ben. Pasha (d) 31 julhet de 2014 a 12.51 (UTC)

Sembla que lo trabalh de Boulaur fuguet de metre de breton dins la zona pas parlabreton... caldrà doncas verificar... --— Joan Francés B. ^{(me´n parlar)} 1 agost de 2014 a 11.01 (UTC)

D'en prumier, sus la zòna Mor-Bihan, sei a far la lista e veire çò qu'exista. Verificarai quand n'i a pas de redireccion dempuei lo nom breton si qu'es necessari o pas. Pasha (d) 1 agost de 2014 a 14.05 (UTC)

Amb la carta qu'ai trobada, e d'autras, e bèlcòp d'Excel, ai fachas las listas de comunas per lenga de las Còstas d'Arvor e de Mor-Bihan, las as aicí. --— Joan Francés B. ^{(me´n parlar)} 2 agost de 2014 a 05.48 (UTC)

Mercés per queu trabalh ! Me demòre pus qu'a trabalhar a mon torn ! Sus lo site de GeoBreizh n'i a 'na lista daus noms de las comunas en galò. Me'n vau servir per precisar los noms, mas sens garentida vertadiera sus l'ortografia. --Pasha (d) 6 agost de 2014 a 10.00 (UTC)

Updates related to VisualEditor

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Hi, everybody. This is a reminder that we invite you to discuss VisualEditor's recent development and plans ahead during the next office hours with James Forrester (Product Manager):

• Thursday, August 14, 9:00 UTC;
• Thursday, September 18, 16:00 UTC.

If you are not able to attend but have a question for James, you can leave your question at mediawiki.org or on my talk page by the day before, and I will try to get a response. We plan to continue these monthly sessions as long as there is community interest, and to announce them through the VisualEditor global newsletter as well (please subscribe your talk page there to get the latest news about the software).

Most of the VisualEditor team will be at Wikimania in London in August! You'll be able to meet the developers during the Hackaton or at the following sessions:

• VisualEditor — helping users edit more easily, Saturday, August 9;
• VisualEditor — engineering against the odds, Sunday, August 10.

WMF community liaisons will share a booth with community advocates at the Community Village and look forward to talking to you there. Thanks for your attention! --User:Elitre (WMF) 31 julhet de 2014 a 16.02 (UTC)

Candidatura au pòste d'administrator

Adieu, ai decidit de me presentar au pòste d'administrator. La pagina de vòte es aquí.--Nicolas Eynaud (d) 2 agost de 2014 a 15.10 (UTC)

VisualEditor global newsletter—July and August 2014

The VisualEditor team is currently working mostly to fix bugs, improve performance, reduce technical debt, and other infrastructure needs. You can find on Mediawiki.org weekly updates detailing recent work.

Dialog boxes in VisualEditor have been re-designed to use action words instead of icons. This has increased the number of items that need to be translated. The user guide is also being updated.

The biggest visible change since the last newsletter was to the dialog boxes. The design for each dialog box and window was simplified. The most commonly needed buttons are now at the top. Based on user feedback, the buttons are now labeled with simple words (like "Cancel" or "Done") instead of potentially confusing icons (like "<" or "X"). Many of the buttons to edit links, images, and other items now also show the linked page, image name, or other useful information when you click on them.

• Hidden HTML comments (notes visible to editors, but not to readers) can now be read, edited, inserted, and removed. A small icon (a white exclamation mark on a dot) marks the location of each comments. You can click on the icon to see the comment.
• You can now drag and drop text and templates as well as images. A new placement line makes it much easier to see where you are dropping the item. Images can no longer be dropped into the middle of paragraphs.
• All references and footnotes (<ref> tags) are now made through the "⧼visualeditor-toolbar-cite-label⧽" menu, including the "⧼visualeditor-dialogbutton-reference-tooltip⧽" (manual formatting) footnotes and the ability to re-use an existing citation, both of which were previously accessible only through the "Inserir" menu. The "⧼visualeditor-dialogbutton-referencelist-tooltip⧽" is still added via the "Inserir" menu.
• When you add an image or other media file, you are now prompted to add an image caption immediately. You can also replace an image whilst keeping the original caption and other settings.
• All tablet users visiting the mobile web version of Wikipedias will be able to opt-in to a version of VisualEditor from 14 August. You can test the new tool by choosing the beta version of the mobile view in the Settings menu.
• The link tool has a new "Open" button that will open a linked page in another tab so you can make sure a link is the right one.
• The "Cancel" button in the toolbar has been removed based on user testing. To cancel any edit, you can leave the page by clicking the Read tab, the back button in your browser, or closing the browser window without saving your changes.

Looking ahead

The team posts details about planned work on the VisualEditor roadmap. The VisualEditor team plans to add auto-fill features for citations soon. Your ideas about making referencing quick and easy are still wanted. Support for upright image sizes is being developed. The designers are also working on support for adding rows and columns to tables. Work to support Internet Explorer is ongoing.

Feedback opportunities

The Editing team will be making two presentations this weekend at Wikimania in London. The first is with product manager James Forrester and developer Trevor Parscal on Saturday at 16:30. The second is with developers Roan Kattouw and Trevor Parscal on Sunday at 12:30. There is a VisualEditor Translation Sprint going on during Wikimania; whether you're in London or not, any contributions are welcome!

Please share your questions, suggestions, or problems by posting a note at the VisualEditor feedback page or by joining the office hours discussion on Thursday, 14 August 2014 at 09:00 UTC (daytime for Europe, Middle East and Asia) or on Thursday, 18 September 2014 at 16:00 UTC (daytime for the Americas; evening for Europe).

If you'd like to get this newsletter on your own page (about once a month), please subscribe at w:en:Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Newsletter for English Wikipedia only or at Meta for any project. Thank you! --Elitre (WMF), 9 agost de 2014 a 14.40 (UTC)

Help for translate

Hello and sorry for writing in English. Can anyone help me translate a small article (2 paragraphs) from English to your language and create the article in your wiki? Please, fell free to answer in my talk page in your wiki anytime. Thanks! Xaris333 (d) 13 agost de 2014 a 01.50 (UTC)

Nicolas Eynaud es elegit administrator

La votacion es clavada, 100% de , felicitacions a Nicolau!

--— Joan Francés B. ^{(me´n parlar)} 18 agost de 2014 a 18.06 (UTC)

Grandmercé per lo vòstre sostèn. Ara, me fau èsser un bòn administrator. --Nicolas Eynaud (d) 18 agost de 2014 a 20.03 (UTC)

Felicitacions! Pas cap de dobte seràs un administrador de tria, coma siás ja un picaire de granda qualitat. A lèu, Claudi/Capsot (d) 18 agost de 2014 a 20.26 (UTC)

Letter petitioning WMF to reverse recent decisions

The Wikimedia Foundation recently created a new feature, "superprotect" status. The purpose is to prevent pages from being edited by elected administrators -- but permitting WMF staff to edit them. It has been put to use in only one case: to protect the deployment of the Media Viewer software on German Wikipedia, in defiance of a clear decision of that community to disable the feature by default, unless users decide to enable it.

If you oppose these actions, please add your name to this letter. If you know non-Wikimedians who support our vision for the free sharing of knowledge, and would like to add their names to the list, please ask them to sign an identical version of the letter on change.org.

• Letter to Wikimedia Foundation: Superprotect and Media Viewer
• Letter on change.org

-- JurgenNL (talk) 21 agost de 2014 a 17.35 (UTC)

Process ideas for software development

’’My apologies for writing in English.’’

Hello,

I am notifying you that a brainstorming session has been started on Meta to help the Wikimedia Foundation increase and better affect community participation in software development across all wiki projects. Basically, how can you be more involved in helping to create features on Wikimedia projects? We are inviting all interested users to voice their ideas on how communities can be more involved and informed in the product development process at the Wikimedia Foundation. It would be very appreciated if you could translate this message to help inform your local communities as well.

I and the rest of my team welcome you to participate. We hope to see you on Meta.

Kind regards, -- Rdicerb (WMF) talk 21 agost de 2014 a 22.15 (UTC)

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Grants to improve your project

Apologies for English. Please help translate this message.

Greetings! The Individual Engagement Grants program is accepting proposals for funding new experiments from September 1st to 30th. Your idea could improve Wikimedia projects with a new tool or gadget, a better process to support community-building on your wiki, research on an important issue, or something else we haven't thought of yet. Whether you need $200 or $30,000 USD, Individual Engagement Grants can cover your own project development time in addition to hiring others to help you.

• Submit your proposal
• Get help: In IdeaLab or an upcoming Hangout session MediaWiki message delivery (d) 2 setembre de 2014 a 16.52 (UTC)

Change in renaming process

Part or all of this message may be in English. Please help translate if possible.

Single-user login (SUL) finalisation's goal is so that every Wikimedia editor has a single, recognized global account with one username across all projects. As you may know, after a long delay, it's now underway as an effort between bureaucrats, stewards, and Wikimedia Foundation engineers. This will also allow for development of cross-wiki tools like global notifications and watchlists. There is no set date for the completion of single-user login finalization at this time.

The process involves changing all rename processes into one global renaming process. The ability for local bureaucrats to rename users on this wiki will be turned off on Monday, 15 September 2014, as one of the first steps. Global renamers are in the process of being created to make sure projects and languages are represented by the time this occurs. I sent a note to every bureaucrat about this process three weeks ago with an invitation to participate and many have begun requesting to be a part of the group. Together with the stewards, the global renamers will be empowered to help editors work through the often difficult process of getting a global name.

In parting, visit Special:MergeAccount to unify your account if you have never done so. If your local pages about renaming still need to be updated, please do so and consider pointing people to m:SRUC for future rename requests, especially if this project does not have bureaucrats that hold global renamer permissions. If you have any questions, you can read more on the help page on Meta. You can also follow the technical progress on mediawiki.org. Contact me on Meta any time with questions as well. Thank you for your time.

-- User:Keegan (WMF) (talk) 9 setembre de 2014 a 16.22 (UTC)

VisualEditor available on Internet Explorer 11

VisualEditor will become available to users of Microsoft Internet Explorer 11 during today's regular software update. Support for some earlier versions of Internet Explorer is being worked on. If you encounter problems with VisualEditor on Internet Explorer, please contact the Editing team by leaving a message at VisualEditor/Feedback on Mediawiki.org. Happy editing, Elitre (WMF) 11 setembre de 2014 a 07.29 (UTC).

PS. Please subscribe to the global monthly newsletter to receive further news about VisualEditor.

Telecargar de fichièrs, Assistent d'impòrt?

Hello! Sorry for writing in English. It was noted that on this wiki there is little community activity around uploads: less than 50 "Suprimir" actions in "Fichièr" last year.

I guess this wiki doesn't have the interest or energies to maintain complex templates and metadata, especially for EDP files. I propose to

• send users to commons:Special:UploadWizard from the sidebar and
• limit local "Importar un fichièr" to the "Administrators" group (for any emergency uploads),

so that no new work is needed on this wiki and all users can have a functioning, easy upload interface in their own language. All registered users can upload on Commons.

All this will be done around 2014-09-30.

1. If you disagree with the proposal, just remove this wiki from the list.
2. To make the UploadWizard even better, please tell your experience and ideas on commons:Commons:Upload Wizard feedback.
3. In all cases, existing files will not be affected, but everyone is welcome to join m:File metadata cleanup drive. The goal is to give better credit to the authors who provided us their works.

Nemo 18 setembre de 2014 a 19.12 (UTC)

Monuments of Spain Challenge

Perdonadme que no escriba en occitano.

Hola. Desde Wikimedia España os invitamos a participar en el Reto de los Monumentos de España. Este reto consiste en redactar, traducir o expandir artículos sobre monumentos de España. Podéis disfrutar de trabajar sobre algunas de las grandes obras de la humanidad. Y como es un concurso, tiene premios, naturalmente.

El concurso se desarrollará durante todo el mes de octubre y todo lo que necesitáis saber está aquí.

Suerte y que gane el mejor.

Perdoneu que no us escriga en occità.

Hola. Si us haveu quedat amb ganes de fer més articles de monuments encara podeu fer-ne participant al Repte dels Monuments de Espanya, promogut per Wikimedia España. Aquest repte consisteix en redactar, traduir o expandir articles sobre monuments d’Espanya. A més de poder gaudir de treballar sobre algunes de les grans obres humanes, també us donaran punts. Perquè això és un concurs i hi ha premis, naturalment.

El concurs tindrà lloc durant tot el mes d’octubre i tot el que cal saber està ací.

Sort i que guanyi el millor.

Excuse me for not writing in Occitan.

Wikimedia España invites you to join the Monuments of Spain Challenge. And what’s that? It’s a contest. You have to edit, translate or expand articles about the Spanish monuments and you will be granted points. So you’re not just writing about wonderful buildings: you can get prizes!

The time of the contest will include all October and any information you may need is right here.

Join in and good luck!

B25es en nombre de / en nom de / on behalf of Wikimedia España.

VisualEditor News #8—2014

Did you know?

TemplateData is a separate program that organizes information about the parameters that can be used in a template. VisualEditor reads that data, and uses it to populate its simplified template dialogs.

With the new TemplateData editor, it is easier to add information about parameters, because the ones you need to use are pre-loaded.

See the help page for TemplateData for more information about adding TemplateData. The user guide has information about how to use VisualEditor.

Since the last newsletter, the Editing team has reduced technical debt, simplified some workflows for template and citation editing, made major progress on Internet Explorer support, and fixed over 125 bugs and requests. Several performance improvements were made, especially to the system around re-using references and reference lists. Weekly updates are posted on Mediawiki.org.

There were three issues that required urgent fixes: a deployment error that meant that many buttons didn't work correctly (bugs 69856 and 69864), a problem with edit conflicts that left the editor with nowhere to go (bug 69150), and a problem in Internet Explorer 11 that replaced some categories with a link to the system message MediaWiki:Badtitletext (bug 70894) when you saved. The developers apologize for the disruption, and thank the people who reported these problems quickly.

Increased support for devices and browsers

Internet Explorer 10 and 11 users now have access to VisualEditor. This means that about 5% of Wikimedia's users will now get an "Edit" tab alongside the existing "Edit source" tab. Support for Internet Explorer 9 is planned for the future.

Tablet users browsing the site's mobile mode now have the option of using a mobile-specific form of VisualEditor. More editing tools, and availability of VisualEditor on smartphones, is planned for the future. The mobile version of VisualEditor was tweaked to show the context menu for citations instead of basic references (bug 68897). A bug that broke the editor in iOS was corrected and released early (bug 68949). For mobile tablet users, three bugs related to scrolling were fixed (bug 66697, bug 68828, bug 69630). You can use VisualEditor on the mobile version of Wikipedia from your tablet by clicking on the cog in the top-right when editing a page and choosing which editor to use.

TemplateData editor

The tool for editing TemplateData has been deployed to 30 more Wikipedias this week. Other Wikipedias and some other projects may receive access next month. This tool makes it easier to add TemplateData to the template's documentation. When the tool is enabled, it will add a button above every editing window for a template (including documentation subpages). To use it, edit the template page or a subpage, and then click the "Edita les dades de la plantilla" button at the top. Read the help page for TemplateData. You can test the TemplateData editor in a sandbox at Mediawiki.org. Remember that TemplateData should be placed either on a documentation subpage or on the template page itself. Only one block of TemplateData will be used per template.

Other changes

Several interface messages and labels were changed to be simpler, clearer, or shorter, based on feedback from translators and editors. The formatting of dialogs was changed, and more changes to the appearance will be coming soon, when VisualEditor implements the new MediaWiki theme from Design. (A preview of the theme is available on Labs for developers.) The team also made some improvements for users of the Monobook skin that improved the size of text in toolbars and fixed selections that overlapped menus.

VisualEditor-MediaWiki now supplies the mw-redirect and mw-disambig class on links to redirects and disambiguation pages, so that user gadgets that colour in these types of links can be created.

Templates' fields can be marked as 'required' in TemplateData. If a parameter is marked as required, then you cannot delete that field when you add a new template or edit an existing one (bug 60358).

Language support improved by making annotations use bi-directional isolation (so they display correctly with cursoring behaviour as expected) and by fixing a bug that crashed VisualEditor when trying to edit a page with a dir attribute but no lang set (bug 69955).

Looking ahead

The team posts details about planned work on the VisualEditor roadmap. The VisualEditor team plans to add auto-fill features for citations soon, perhaps in late October.

The team is also working on support for adding rows and columns to tables, and early work for this may appear within the month. Please comment on the design at Mediawiki.org.

In the future, real-time collaborative editing may be possible in VisualEditor. Some early preparatory work for this was recently done.

Supporting your wiki

At Wikimania, several developers gave presentations about VisualEditor. A translation sprint focused on improving access to VisualEditor was supported by many people. Deryck Chan was the top translator. Special honors also go to संजीव कुमार (Sanjeev Kumar), Robby, Takot, Bachounda, Bjankuloski06 and Ата. A summary of the work achieved by the translation community is available. Thank you all for your work.

This was the first translatable VisualEditor newsletter, so thanks to everybody who made this possible! If it hasn't been delivered in your language, and you'd like to help with translations in the future, please subscribe to the Translators mailing list or contact Elitre (WMF), so that you will be notified when the next issue is due.

VisualEditor can be made available to most non-Wikipedia projects. If your community would like to test VisualEditor, please contact product manager James Forrester or file an enhancement request in Bugzilla.

Please join the office hours on Saturday, 18 October 2014 at 18:00 UTC (daytime for the Americas; evening for Africa and Europe) and on Wednesday, 19 November at 16:00 UTC on IRC.

Give feedback on VisualEditor at mw:VisualEditor/Feedback. Subscribe or unsubscribe at Meta. Thank you! —Elitre (WMF)

13 octobre de 2014 a 09.49 (UTC)

Coneguda causa sia

Subre la wikipèdia en occitan, avèm una politica editoriala leugièra, que se sarra al mai dels principis fondators de Wikipedia (en anglés): cadun pòt apondre o melhorar los articles. Avèm una manca grèva d'enciclopèdia en lenga occitana qu'es per partida (que de trabalh ne demòra) comolada per la wikipèdia.

Las wikipèdias dins d'autras lengas an pas forçadament la meteissa politica. E d'unes integristas s'imaginan ara que lor politica deu èsser espandida endacòm. Aital Mossur Rogel que brama son racisme anti-occitan:

«J'en déduis donc que la wiki occitane bénéficie d'un « rayonnement jusque là insoupçonné » (ce qu'Arsael considère comme être une « incivilité » à l'égard d'ocwiki) et apprend désormais qu'elle serait en quelque sorte la poubelle de frwiki. Je n'ose y croire et vais donc de ce pas grâce à mon compte global demander la suppression de la page oc:Gérard Werth AUSSI sur la wiki occitane.» Patrick Rogel, "Requête aux administrateurs", Wikipédia. L'encyclopédie libre, 22 octobre 2014.

Evidentament, aquel òme de la cultura linguistica reducha a pas trobèt per ara cossí far aquela demanda. Lo paure el.

Coralament,

--— Joan Francés Blanc ^{(me´n parlar)} 23 octobre de 2014 a 08.56 (UTC)

Es pecat, aquò seriá estat divertissent. --Nicolas Eynaud (d) 23 octobre de 2014 a 15.34 (UTC)

Meta RfCs on two new global groups

Hello all,

There are currently requests for comment open on meta to create two new global groups. The first is a group for members of the OTRS permissions queue, which would grant them autopatrolled rights on all wikis except those who opt-out. That proposal can be found at m:Requests for comment/Creation of a global OTRS-permissions user group. The second is a group for Wikimedia Commons admins and OTRS agents to view deleted file pages through the 'viewdeletedfile' right on all wikis except those who opt-out. The second proposal can be found at m:Requests for comment/Global file deletion review.

We would like to hear what you think on both proposals. Both are in English; if you wanted to translate them into your native language that would also be appreciated.

It is possible for individual projects to opt-out, so that users in those groups do not have any additional rights on those projects. To do this please start a local discussion, and if there is consensus you can request to opt-out of either or both at m:Stewards' noticeboard.

Thanks and regards, Ajraddatz (talk) 26 octobre de 2014 a 18.04 (UTC)

Languages in censuses

Hello, Dear wikipedians. I invite you to edit and improve this article and to add information about your and other country.--Kaiyr (d) 31 octobre de 2014 a 12.36 (UTC)

New Wikipedia Library Accounts Now Available (November 2014)

Apologies for writing in English, please help translate this into your local language. Hello Wikimedians!

The TWL OWL says sign up today :)

The Wikipedia Library is announcing signups today for, free, full-access accounts to published research as part of our Publisher Donation Program. You can sign up for:

• DeGruyter: 1000 new accounts for English and German-language research. Sign up on one of two language Wikipedias:
  • English signup
  • Deutsch signup
• Fold3: 100 new accounts for American history and military archives
• Scotland's People: 100 new accounts for Scottish genealogy database
• British Newspaper Archive: expanded by 100+ accounts for British newspapers
• Highbeam: 100+ remaining accounts for newspaper and magazine archives
• Questia: 100+ remaining accounts for journal and social science articles
• JSTOR: 100+ remaining accounts for journal archives

Do better research and help expand the use of high quality references across Wikipedia projects: sign up today!
--The Wikipedia Library Team.5 novembre de 2014 a 23.19 (UTC)

You can host and coordinate signups for a Wikipedia Library branch in your own language. Please contact Ocaasi (WMF).

This message was delivered via the Global Mass Message to The Wikipedia Library Global Delivery List.

Nhirgo francizat dens un article men.

He ben ! Ne vieni pas mei guaire, mes en me connectant au men article (que l'èi escriut quasi tot jo) suu Japon, que descobreishi que la frasa "N'a pas nada capitala politica" (perfèitament gascona e blosa) ei estada remplaçada peu nhirgo francizat "N'a pas de capitala politica". Que m'avisi que hèi plan de non pas mei viéner. Tribalhatz, sudatz, hètz-vs'i a cercar informacions, a las digerir e resumir entà escríver articles plan informatius, en consultant dus o tres diccionaris au còp entà estar segur que la vòsta lenga ei plan corrècta... e qu'auratz tostemps quauqu'un qui passarà darrèr entà sacamandejar lo vòste tribalh. Be soi amar ! --Eòle (d) 6 novembre de 2014 a 09.28 (UTC)

E ben son anats luènh los gascons! Sabiái qu'èran anats en America del Sud, mas en extrèm orient!!! :) Galègi! Bona setmana, Claudi/Capsot (d) 6 novembre de 2014 a 16.28 (UTC)

Lo vòste umor que m'apatza, Capot. Mercés :-) Eòle (d) 7 novembre de 2014 a 08.20 (UTC)

Global AbuseFilter

Hello,

AbuseFilter is a MediaWiki extension used to detect likely abusive behavior patterns, like pattern vandalism and spam. In 2013, Global AbuseFilters were enabled on a limited set of wikis including Meta-Wiki, MediaWiki.org, Wikispecies and (in early 2014) all the "small wikis". Recently, global abuse filters were enabled on "medium sized wikis" as well. These filters are currently managed by stewards on Meta-Wiki and have shown to be very effective in preventing mass spam attacks across Wikimedia projects. However, there is currently no policy on how the global AbuseFilters will be managed although there are proposals. There is an ongoing request for comment on policy governing the use of the global AbuseFilters. In the meantime, specific wikis can opt out of using the global AbuseFilter. These wikis can simply add a request to this list on Meta-Wiki. More details can be found on this page at Meta-Wiki. If you have any questions, feel free to ask on m:Talk:Global AbuseFilter.

Thanks,

PiRSquared17, Glaisher

— 14 novembre de 2014 a 17.34 (UTC)

Se parla de la Wikipèdia nòstra

Dins un editoriau dau Jornalet : [2]. --Nicolas Eynaud (d) 14 decembre de 2014 a 15.31 (UTC)

New Wikipedia Library Accounts Now Available (December 2014)

Apologies for writing in English, please help translate this into your local language. Hello Wikimedians!

The TWL OWL says sign up today :)

The Wikipedia Library is announcing signups today for, free, full-access accounts to published research as part of our Publisher Donation Program. You can sign up for new accounts and research materials from:

• Elsevier - science and medicine journals and books
• Royal Society of Chemistry - chemistry journals
• Pelican Books - ebook monographs
• Public Catalogue Foundation- art books

Other partnerships with accounts available are listed on our partners page. Do better research and help expand the use of high quality references across Wikipedia projects: sign up today!
--The Wikipedia Library Team.18 decembre de 2014 a 00.22 (UTC)

You can host and coordinate signups for a Wikipedia Library branch in your own language. Please contact Ocaasi (WMF).

This message was delivered via the Global Mass Message tool to The Wikipedia Library Global Delivery List.